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Starve the Landfills with Gateway Recycling
Anthony Iovine is the sales manager for Gateway Products Recycling, a family-owned paper recycling company, in business for over 30 years in Ohio and Pennsylvania. When asked why he loves his job, he says it's "waking up every day to save the planet - one bale of cardboard at a time."
Paper recycling has been around since about 1031 AD, and is one of recycling’s success stories. The U.S. recycles around 46 million tons of fiber annually, according to the American Forest and Paper Association. In this episode, Anthony busts a few recycling myths. He gives us an insider's look at the paper recycling industry, the role of intermediate processors like himself who collect, grade, and bale paper before shipping it to domestic mills to be made into new products. Tony also shares how the industry has changed over the years, the impact of China's National Sword policy, and the importance of paper recycling in a world of growing consumption and dwindling resources.
Gateway collects source-separated paper, cardboard, plastic, and metals from commercial customers - ranging from food manufacturers and grocery stores to stadiums and distribution centers. This sorted material yields cleaner, more valuable recyclables, enabling Gateway to move between 15,000 and 18,000 tons of materials through its plants each month, with the final stop being mills that make recycled boxes, gypsum board, cellulose insulation, and tissue products. All these efforts help keep forests standing, while protecting ecosystems, water and energy. Listen and hear how Gateway can turn your workplace waste back into resources.
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You're listening to EcoSpeak CLE, a podcast for the eco curious in Northeast Ohio. My name is Diane Bickett and my producer is Greg Rotuno. Together we speak with local sustainability leaders and invite you to connect, learn and live with our community and planet in mind. Hello friends, summer is winding down. I hope you've been having fun in the land I sure have.
Diane Bickett:It's August already and kids are back in school, and today we are too, because today on EcoSpeak CLE, we're going to learn about paper recycling with Anthony Iovine, who is a sales manager for Gateway Products Recycling, a family-owned recycling company in business for over 30 years in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Every now and again we do an episode on how things work, and I assure you that you will learn some new things today about an industry that's been around for a long long time Since the year 1031 AD, apparently, according to Google and it's one of recycling success stories. The United States recycles around 46 million tons of fiber annually, according to the American Forest and Paper Association. Please stay with us and learn what happens to all that paper once it leaves the curb or the loading dock and the role of intermediate processors like Anthony and the importance of paper recovery. Like Anthony and the importance of paper recovery in a world of increasing consumption and decreasing resources. Welcome, anthony.
Anthony Iovine:Thanks so much for having us.
Diane Bickett:Thanks for joining us. I remember the day we met it was probably like 15 years ago. You came into the office to introduce yourself and I remember that you were just so high energy and I remember thinking, man, this guy loves his job and I know you still do today. So what do you love most about your work in the recycling industry? What?
Anthony Iovine:I love most about our job is Gateway has been a great company to work for for about 15 years. Like you said, we've been doing this for three decades now, but every day I get to wake up and save the planet it's kind of the way I look at it Saving trees by going into customers and making sure that a lot of those commodities aren't going into landfills but going into our trailers or bins or however we have it at each account and saving trees in that manner.
Diane Bickett:So yeah got a little bit of a green heart I'd say and you've got a daughter to think about, so it's important.
Anthony Iovine:My wife's actually the biggest tree hugger, but Paige definitely she loves that.
Diane Bickett:Go Renee, that's awesome. So what's different about your company versus, like, a waste management or a Republic Services in terms of how, where your place in the market and how you handle materials? Because you have a different, you serve a different sector, right.
Anthony Iovine:Yeah, different approach to what we do. So both sides single-chain recycling, or you'll hear the word MRF Material Recovery Facility. Single stream recycling, or you'll hear the word MRF material recovery facility. And also what we do serves a great purpose for recycling, just in general. But yes, we are much different MRF. What they do is they get all of the commodities in one bin or in one truck that's dropped off on the floor. In there there will be plastic, corrugated paper, metals, aluminum cans all in one compact truck or one bin. They'll dump it on their floor and then they'll have sorters at their facility, whether it's manual or optical sorters, or machines that float out the cardboard or float out the paper, or magnets that take out the metals. What we're a little bit different is we actually coach our customers to separate the material at the actual point of generation.
Diane Bickett:Source separated is the term.
Anthony Iovine:Yes, source separated, and that allows us to have good, clean material come into our facility, which has allowed us to grow the way we have.
Diane Bickett:And so the single stream recyclers like Republic and Waste Management and Rumpke serve the residential sector, so they're the ones picking the material from the recycling bins off the curb. Correct? You're serving mainly commercial customers such as Commercial.
Anthony Iovine:Yes, so we do a lot in the food industry. So food manufacturers, grocery stores, also we do distribution centers, manufacturers, I mean one of my customers even manufactures pillows.
Greg Rotuno:Oh really.
Anthony Iovine:We do also stadiums. We do municipality too as well. But it'd be if it was actually source separated beforehand From an office or whatever. From an office, yeah, even thrift stores. Thrift stores actually recycle quite a bit.
Diane Bickett:Well, you're probably going after cardboard, so they probably have a lot of that material. You toured me through your plant back in May, which was great because I hadn't been here in many, many years.
Anthony Iovine:I could see your wheels turning again. Wheels turning. Took you back 15 years ago.
Diane Bickett:Well, your facility is here in, where some of our listeners may have gotten a keg back in the day because it's in the former house of La Rose beverage distributor. But the one thing you wanted to really get across was there were some myths about recycling you wanted to bust, so why don't we just dive right in and start there?
Anthony Iovine:So anybody that I meet, whenever I meet them and they ask me what I do for a living, I tell them I'm in the recycling industry. I work for Gateway Recycling and the first thing they ask me every single time is is stuff really recycled? Oh gosh, I know, and the answer is yes. What we bring in on Gateway's end, we coach our customers to let them know what we can take and can't take.
Anthony Iovine:There is wish recycling out there where you know you throw something into a container and you're hoping and wishing that it can be recycled, but sometimes it doesn't get to its destination. The biggest thing I would say is, for those who do have those questions, you can talk to a lot of recyclers because there's a lot in the marketplace. Those who do have those questions you can talk to a lot of recyclers because there's a lot in the marketplace. But also you can talk to cities and the counties to ask them where certain materials go. Doreen Shriver, over at the Cuyahoga Solid Waste Management District they does a tremendous job with their website letting you know where you can send materials to that are hard to recycle. But you can recycle a lot of these commodities. It just takes a little bit extra, sometimes research, to get them there.
Diane Bickett:And so it's important to follow the rules of your service provider, of course. I think when I first started in the recycling industry as a government sector person, it was 1990 and everything was source separated. Curbside recycling didn't become single stream or commingled until maybe 10 or 12 years later. So early on the material was collected. It was more expensive to collect because you'd have to have a paper truck go around and then you'd have to have a metal truck to come by and get the cans, but it was cleaner so it probably sold for a higher amount of money, yes, and there wasn't that added step of cleaning it up. But the convenience factor has helped us get to a really high recycling rate of like 67% nationwide. So I think there's a place for both things in there. You walked me around the plant and there were just all these different paper piles, different paper grades. You want to talk about how you grade and sort the fiber that comes in.
Anthony Iovine:Yeah, so when I started 15 years ago I thought there was really only like three paper grades, maybe four paper grades. I thought it was just some cardboard and newspaper and office waste was the main grades and that's all there really was. There's actually like 56 different paper grades and we'll get into them all in this episode. But each different paper grade has its purpose and use and also has its purpose for different price points. So, like our sales team really needs to know exactly what they're dealing with to get it to the right destination, the majority of the corrugated that we get we send it to be turned back into cardboard. Also, it can go into gypsum board too.
Anthony Iovine:So, like drywall, Our newspaper that we get in, we bring it in. You saw how we bail it and then we send it out through full truckloads by semi-trailer to destinations that will make it back into newspaper, but it'll also make it back into installation. One other thing that newspaper does is it also goes into a hydro seed. So if you ever see whenever they do construction on a bridge, on a freeway, they tear up all the grass and everything Then you see a magical blue and green page.
Diane Bickett:Oh, they're spraying that stuff out. That holds the seeds in place.
Anthony Iovine:So the cellulose part of that is actually newspaper. Okay, so office waste that we get in from printers or we get it in from downtown sky rises. We bring that in, we bail it, we ship it out to full truckloads to end users that will make it into away from home products. So those would be like facial tissue, toilet paper, that would also be hand towels, napkins a lot of the material that we get in on even on our shredding side. We have a document instruction that Angie Wade and Tiffany Julian they head up.
Anthony Iovine:They bring in a lot of shredded material and all that material is considered as office paper and is sold to tissue mills.
Diane Bickett:And some of the really, really high quality stuff is just pure white paper from printers and stuff.
Anthony Iovine:Yeah, we'll get, like envelope manufacturers or something we deal with a lot and, like you're saying, printers as well. We will get rolls of paper that is just completely pristine and white, and what we'll do from there is a lot of times if we can sell it as is, we'll sell them as is, but if we need to cut them up, we'll send it to end users and it'll be the highest dollar grade that we have at our facility outside of aluminum.
Diane Bickett:Okay, so you bring how many types of grades of paper here and then what do you do with it? Are you doing some sorting and bailing here before it ships out?
Anthony Iovine:Mainly, like we said, we're source separated recyclers, so what we want to do is get those commodities to us already sorted. When it comes to our facility, what we'll do is we have bailers at our facility, which are large machines that make it pack into what looks like a huge brick of paper and then, whenever we get that huge brick of paper, it's called a bale. Those bales are all accumulated in our bale room and we'll ship them out in full truckloads from there. Okay, we move anywhere from 15,000 to 18,000 tons a month.
Diane Bickett:Wow. So, how many? Just to illustrate how many semis would that be?
Anthony Iovine:So one semi is usually 20 tons, okay. So you're looking at you know it could be anywhere from 20 to 30 loads out of our facilities a day.
Diane Bickett:Wow, that's a lot.
Anthony Iovine:Yeah, so we have Cleveland, Toledo and Pittsburgh.
Diane Bickett:Okay, how many people work in the Cleveland operation?
Anthony Iovine:The Cleveland operation we have 62. As a company, overall we're 120.
Diane Bickett:Okay, and your other locations are Pittsburgh and Toledo, right?
Anthony Iovine:Pittsburgh and Toledo, yeah, you started in Toledo.
Diane Bickett:You had a little story about how the owner of the company started back in Toledo.
Anthony Iovine:The Susser 6 family is who owns Gateway Great family. Tom started in the asphalt business and in 1993, on the backside of the asphalt business was actually a small paper company that the asphalt company owned company that the asphalt company owned and at that point he decided, for whatever reason, he wanted to lead that side of the company and he took over that company and became the owner of it and his wife, cindy, who came to work for one day, ended up spending 30 years at the company. She's probably one of the hardest working women females I've ever been around in the business world. But we grew from there to the facility that's. There's a facility down the road, about 40,000 square feet, and we moved there in 2006. But in 2001, we opened up in Toledo. We saw a need in Toledo for us to grow and we opened up a facility in Toledo for us to grow and we opened up a facility in Toledo and then in 2012, we opened up a facility in Zillianople, pennsylvania. We grew quickly out of that one into another facility in Robinson Township in Pittsburgh, in the Pittsburgh area in 2016.
Anthony Iovine:So all throughout that growth, tom's been really good about listening to the sales team and listening to what our customers want. And when we first started it was just paper. All we did was cardboard and picked up bales of cardboard. But he would ask all the salespeople, what else is there out there? And that's when we got into plastic recycling, we got into metal recycling and also got into document destruction as that as well. We sell equipment, so balers, grinders, shredders, and we also have a service team that can service all of those units as well. Okay, so we were fortunate to be able to grow the way we have. It's family owned business. So Tom and Sandy they joined the business throughout. That, that's Tom's daughter is Sandy, and then Tom's son is Tommy. Tommy and his wife Brittany joined the operation too. So Tom and Ryan run the operation side, and then on the HR and accounting side would be Sandy and would be Brittany.
Diane Bickett:Wow. Well, congratulations on 30 years of success. I mean, in a day where most waste management recycling companies are vertically integrated and you know publicly traded companies, you know you're competing with the biggest, so that's awesome.
Anthony Iovine:Yeah, when I first started it was probably a recycler, probably about 20 recyclers. Just throughout the years there's been a lot of consolidation, whether you know out of business or got bought or just dissolved. Well, we've been lucky to grow throughout it and just be doing the right things for our company.
Diane Bickett:Okay, with Anthony running the sales team.
Anthony Iovine:Yay.
Diane Bickett:I want to talk a little bit about markets. Part of the recycling myth I think that we come across in the industry is that there's no market for this material or it's all going overseas. And that's not the case for fiber, which is paper, and cardboard, for fiber, which is paper and cardboard. Talk about the domestic and North American markets for all this paper. It used to be. There were timber mills in Canada harvesting paper, harvesting trees to make paper. Now we're harvesting that material from our urban cities. How does that look in Ohio? What does that look like in Ohio?
Anthony Iovine:or the Midwest region. In the Midwest region. There's various mills throughout the United States, but when I first started, there was a lot more mills. We've seen a lot of, like you're saying, consolidation of mills. One thing that forced the paper to stay internally, domestically, was the national sword that was brought down by China.
Anthony Iovine:And basically what that was was China, overnight in 2017, said we're not taking in these recyclables and they banned like 24 different types of plastics or paper or corrugated that was going into their country. Nobody really knew why. At the time, that was the largest buyer in the world for cardboard.
Diane Bickett:Oh, really, yeah, Because they were shipping all their stuff back in the boxes. I mean, there was containers.
Anthony Iovine:When I started at Gateway, there was containers downstairs we were shipping out daily. China was the largest buyer in the world for cardboard and paper, and then India was way, way, way lower than it, but a lot of that material was shipped overseas. So it's kind of like if you lost the largest buyer in the world for something simple supply and demand. I mean, the supply goes through the roof and the pricing went extremely down.
Anthony Iovine:So, it was hard even at that time to find homes for cardboard and paper, but we've lucked out through the years to have great relationships with our end users and our buyers, that we were able to move a lot of core units in that time.
Diane Bickett:When I was still working at Cuyahoga Recycles. There's a company that opened a mill in Wapakoneta called Pratt Industries and that was like the first paper mill. It was like I don't know took a long time to get that thing sited and built and I think they just had an expansion. And Wabakonet is like at the Indiana border right. Are you sending material there? Are you allowed to say if that's one of your markets?
Anthony Iovine:I don't know if that's one of our end markets. It might be. I'm not really on the selling out the material side. My job is to get, my team's job is to get the material in. We do ship a lot of stuff domestically, though in the United States, Like I said, exporting is kind of like non-existent for us in regards to paper, just because of what happened in China.
Diane Bickett:And you're able to find enough end users here.
Anthony Iovine:Yeah, yeah, in the US, yes, yes, because we have contracts with the mills that allow us to send them X amount of quantity per day and whatnot.
Diane Bickett:Good to know that the investment is still happening and new mills are still opening.
Anthony Iovine:Yeah, new mills are coming on board throughout the United States. What happened with the National Sword was it wasn't so much that China did not want bales of cardboard there, they just didn't want dirty material there. So a lot of what happened after the National Storage was instituted was a lot of the Chinese mills actually came to the United States and they found dormant paper mills and they converted them into. If it was a tissue mill, they converted it into a corrugated mill. And what they're trying to do and what they're doing is they're bringing in bales from us or whoever and they're pulping it and they're drying the pulp and sending the pulp back overseas in that manner, Really To be made into boxes over there.
Anthony Iovine:To be made into boxes over there, because if you think about it, when you pulp something it goes through all those lines and cleans everything, so you get the purest form of whatever commodity that you're trying to recycle. So they then send that back to themselves.
Diane Bickett:Okay, because they need those boxes over there to ship all our. Amazon products, exactly, exactly. How have things changed over the years? I mean, it used to be that people would go to a store and buy something, so stuff was shipped to the store location in boxes. Now those boxes are going to people's homes. So is it harder to get that material into your plant because you're having to source it from multiple locations rather than aggregated at a retail location?
Anthony Iovine:The one thing that I think, that's you know, the Amazon effect has yeah, has, I think, affected our industry a lot Because, like you're saying, traditionally the way it was is you buy a product at a store that came in a box. They take that box, they put it into a baler at their location, they bail the material and a company like us we come and pick it up.
Anthony Iovine:so now what happened is that all those boxes are now going to our doorsteps, right, and you hope everybody has a sustainable heart, like all of us in this room, but sometimes people do and sometimes also people don't have the means to recycle in their communities, because not every community that that's in northeast ohio or the world has, uh, recycling options that you can actually recycle in a bin, you know. So I think what happens is some of that material gets landfilled. So I think that's affected volumes. And if you look at like this week, I think they actually publicized the recycling rates for cardboard, for paper, and it went from 68 down to 60. That could be something that could affect that.
Diane Bickett:Per ton.
Anthony Iovine:No, no percent.
Diane Bickett:Oh, percent 68%.
Anthony Iovine:Yeah, it was 68% a year prior and then the next year was 60%, so it's gone down a little bit and that could be something that's certainly affected it. I think one thing that's really affected the industry a lot is also paperless society. Back in the day we used to get our news feed how we opened a newspaper. You'd open up a newspaper and in there you would have your social media, which would be the editorial section, and also the cartoon section.
Anthony Iovine:You didn't pull up your phone every five minutes to check the score of the Cavs or the Guardians. You had to read it in the newspaper. Looking at stocks you looked at that in the USA Today and look how the stock marks are going. Now there's an app for that, so a lot of the newspapers have been affected by that, a lot where we can just go to our phone for everything these days as opposed to opening up a newspaper and reading a little bit about what's going on in the world.
Diane Bickett:Yeah, it's tragic.
Anthony Iovine:That also goes to the book industry, though. No effects to books industry textbooks. So I'm assuming I haven't been to college in a while, but assuming you can download the book now, opposed to going to the bookstore and buying that and every single shirt that was in the store when I was younger.
Diane Bickett:I feel like the move to a paperless society is affecting the things that should be kept, like books and newspapers, and instead of, you know, printers spewing out paper in an office setting or whatever yeah, that's changed a lot, like uh office, uh, the health care industry has changed a lot on that end.
Anthony Iovine:There are a lot. There are a lot of paperless, all the contracts that we get sent now from companies, a lot of it's docu sign, you know. You know, opposed to printing everything out, signing it, faxing it back or emailing it back, it's all done electronically now where you can sign away at it.
Diane Bickett:So why is? Let's talk a little bit about the environmental side of things. We talked about what paper is being recycled into. You mentioned tissue paper, newspaper, cardboard. Obviously that process of making paper from paper versus paper from trees has a great environmental benefit. You're saving 17 trees per ton trees per ton yeah.
Anthony Iovine:One ton saves 17 trees and also gets three cubic yards out of a landfill. So, you think about the actual tonnage and the actual yards coming out of a landfill?
Diane Bickett:that's very, very impactful. Yeah, Plus 64% energy savings and uses 80% less water. So, as our resources diminish, that's super important. Back in the intro I said that the US recycles 46 million tons of fiber annually, and I was going to try to do the math to multiply 46 million tons by 17 trees but my calculator wouldn't go that high.
Greg Rotuno:It's wild, isn't it? It's a lot, it's great.
Diane Bickett:It's great. Wouldn't go that high. It's wild, isn't it? It's a lot, it's great. The thing that drives me crazy is toilet paper. Cutting down trees in the boreal forest in Canada because you need those really long fibers to make the really plushy toilet paper is just such a waste and I don't think people realize that that virgin fiber to make the high-end toilet paper is coming from these old growth trees in Canada, so it's important for people to know that it's important to recycle.
Diane Bickett:I think paper recycling is one of our success stories, for sure.
Anthony Iovine:Well, the one thing about paper recycling it is a huge success. You think about 60 to 68% and you're like, why aren't we at 100%? Well, 60% to 68% is a lot of material.
Diane Bickett:That's the amount of material recovered from all this produced, recovered from everything that's produced.
Anthony Iovine:That is really high Because you also got to think about it. A lot of packaging these days you know it comes in a tray, the tray gets ketchup on it or whatever on it and nobody wants to recycle that because the actual contaminants on it that would be something that would go to the landfill. So you think about all the paper products that do come in um. It's remarkable to see those sort of numbers come in um. What our mission is at gateway and the sales team judy doug z and uh zach, what they do every single day is they go into facilities and they're dumpster divers. They look and see what the current program looks like and everybody can kind of do bales of corrugated. But we look into their trash bins, their trash compactors and we say let's see we can get these commodities out of your landfill and into a recycle stream. Sometimes we're in these situations where people are spending $10,000 a month on their waste bill and we can pay them whatever $10 per ton or whatever it is to get it out of the landfill.
Anthony Iovine:But the biggest thing is we want to try and starve the landfills, Whatever we can do to get it out of the dirt. The Sussick family, the Palmier family, they work endlessly and tirelessly to try and find homes for us so that we can support our customer base to recycle.
Diane Bickett:Okay, so what do you want to tell our listeners in terms of if they work at a worker volunteer at a location that is producing paper that doesn't have a recycling program? You mentioned that you have a team that will go out and dumpster dive and put together a waste audit and potential savings. Is there a specific size company that you have a target for or you won't serve anything under 10 employees?
Anthony Iovine:I mean, what's the it's all kind of relative to the amount of employees out of business is a factor we do look at, but it's more so what the tonnage they actually generate, because I've been at a 10-employee company and they're doing 20 tons a month. It's like how are you producing this much commodities?
Diane Bickett:per month.
Anthony Iovine:And it's, you know, because of their business. There might be a repack or something like that where they generate a lot of those sort of things, but mainly what we're looking at is large volumes of it. But the one thing that's great about our company we also can do smaller programs as well and tie it in with our shredding side. So Angie and Tiffany, they're in charge of that side of our business where they can do sometimes smaller pickups, as long as they package them with their paper recycling as well. So we do small, we also do big and we can do from half a ton pickups to 350 tons per month pickups.
Diane Bickett:Okay, so shredding services, confidential document destruction, cardboard recycling, paper recycling and metal recycling. So we're talking about cans.
Anthony Iovine:Yeah, aluminum cans, pop bottles, stuff of that nature.
Diane Bickett:And what about plastic on the plastic side?
Anthony Iovine:Plastic side. The way that we normally do that is, we get it from generators of it. So if somebody is manufacturing a bottle, say like a Pepsi or like a Coca-Cola or like a Silgon, they manufacture bottles by bulk and what we do is when they're making those bottles, sometimes they make mistakes. The mistakes are actually, you know, they accumulate, and what we do is we have that as a value-added part of our program that we do with them. Whenever we pick up the bales of cardboard or the paper we're doing with them or the baler we sold them, we add that to the program as well. So we do it more. So, like you said, in the source-separated side, where it's generated at the actual customer and they'll take it and they'll put it in the bins immediately and then we'll be able to recycle it from there.
Diane Bickett:Actual, they'll take it and they'll put it in the bins immediately and then we'll be able to recycle it from there. Okay, so material coming off the end of a production line, clean stuff, store separated, is key. So how do people get in touch with you?
Anthony Iovine:You can get a hold of me on LinkedIn. My name is Tony Iving, but it's Anthony Iving on there. Also, you can call the office. One thing that's great about us is we always answer the phone. When you answer the phone, it's not going to be a 1-800 number, it's Gateway local rep, so we'll answer every single time.
Diane Bickett:Okay, and your website is.
Anthony Iovine:It's gatewayrecyclecom.
Diane Bickett:Well, that's easy to remember. And I wanted to leave with one stat which I got from Jessica Finos at the Cuyahoga County Solid Waste District. I got from Jessica Finos at the Cuyahoga County Solid Waste District because Cuyahoga, we talked about the national recycling rate for fiber here in Cuyahoga County. In 2024, over 70, almost 73,000 tons of paper and cardboard were collected through homes and businesses. So we're keeping the trees standing and feeding the economy and companies like yours.
Anthony Iovine:That's huge. Say that. Stat again how many.
Diane Bickett:The exact number is 72,762 tons of paper and OCC, which is old corrugated cardboard in 2024.
Anthony Iovine:That's awesome.
Diane Bickett:And that's residential and commercial.
Anthony Iovine:Well, we're happy that we can be a part of that.
Diane Bickett:Yeah, so keep up the good work, listeners. Recycling does work, don't?
Anthony Iovine:let anyone tell you otherwise. Please, please, please, don't give up on it.
Greg Rotuno:Stop asking. Yes, please don't give up on it.
Anthony Iovine:Please don't give up on it. You can recycle, things can be recycled.
Diane Bickett:It out there.
Anthony Iovine:Absolutely.
Diane Bickett:Yeah Well, thank you so much for joining us.
Anthony Iovine:Thanks so much for having us on.
Diane Bickett:It was great to see you again, thank you and thanks for the sandwich.
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